£ Cali Residuals now the PV5 etc are here

[FivetonesCali]

He's not wrong. Half the planet is dependant on fossil fuels without any emissions control and that won't be changing for many years. Also you have skated over the very significant environmental pollution from the production of ev / storage batteries, motors and solar panels. But of course that is not taking place in the western world. Out of sight, out of mind.

The switch to renewables is actually becoming an economic runaway train. Especially in developing nations where solar is a brilliant distributed small scale generator.

Also save me the ‘just think of the victims of mining in other countries’ as you type this out on your phone/laptop which uses many of the same resources to produce.

All vehicles take huge amount of mined resources. So yes @andyinluton they are luxuries we are privileged to have. And no dude I’m not getting into a ludicrous discussion about what I personally do or don’t do to minimise my impact on the planet in a thread where we’re talking on the level of social and systemic change.

 

[andyinluton]

The switch to renewables is actually becoming an economic runaway train. Especially in developing nations where solar is a brilliant distributed small scale generator.

In 3rd world countries it’s not a switch to renewables from fossil fuels. It’s a switch from nothing to renewables made using energy from coal fired Chinese power stations.

I’m not sure that’s going to save the planet.

 

[FivetonesCali]

In 3rd world countries it’s not a switch to renewables from fossil fuels. It’s a switch from nothing to renewables made using energy from coal fired Chinese power stations.

I’m not sure that’s going to save the planet.

No actually it’s very often a switch from burning things indoors. I don’t need to spell out what that does to one’s health.

China are leading the world in deployment of renewables. Unfortunately they’re also the world’s workshop so all types of energy generation are up there. They understand that a bet on renewables is the future.

The switch to elec-tech is underway and actually a rare positive in this world. No it’s not perfect but it is a good pragmatic step towards preventing the worst damage possible from climate heating.

As energy from renewable sources gets cheaper the uk will find itself in a much stronger geopolitical position. Less exposed to old-world last millennial tech like fossil fuels.

Back on topic, once that happens more people will want EVs and residuals will rise. This in turn will lead to more innovation in EV tech and more choice for campervans!

 

[WelshGas]

The switch to renewables is actually becoming an economic runaway train. Especially in developing nations where solar is a brilliant distributed small scale generator.

Also save me the ‘just think of the victims of mining in other countries’ as you type this out on your phone/laptop which uses many of the same resources to produce.

All vehicles take huge amount of mined resources. So yes @andyinluton they are luxuries we are privileged to have. And no dude I’m not getting into a ludicrous discussion about what I personally do or don’t do to minimise my impact on the planet in a thread where we’re talking on the level of social and systemic change.

Aah. The Eco Warrior mantra. Do what I say, not what I do!

No actually it’s very often a switch from burning things indoors. I don’t need to spell out what that does to one’s health.

China are leading the world in deployment of renewables. Unfortunately they’re also the world’s workshop so all types of energy generation are up there. They understand that a bet on renewables is the future.

The switch to elec-tech is underway and actually a rare positive in this world. No it’s not perfect but it is a good pragmatic step towards preventing the worst damage possible from climate heating.

As energy from renewable sources gets cheaper the uk will find itself in a much stronger geopolitical position. Less exposed to old-world last millennial tech like fossil fuels.

Back on topic, once that happens more people will want EVs and residuals will rise. This in turn will lead to more innovation in EV tech and more choice for campervans!

So you're not concerned about the environmental pollution as long as you have your EV and solar panels you can pat yourself on the back for doing your bit for Climate Change and ignore the Enviromental Damage and those affected by it. Typical " I'm alright Jack " and s*d the rest of mankind.

 

[andyinluton]

No actually it’s very often a switch from burning things indoors. I don’t need to spell out what that does to one’s health.

Having put solar electricity into mud huts on the farm in SA we found that the electricity was used to power a fridge, satellite TVs & charging phones. The open fire was still used for cooking.

 

[Chriskend]

Global warming…..doesn’t matter what we do now…..we are all stuffed

 

[FivetonesCali]

Aah. The Eco Warrior mantra. Do what I say, not what I do!

So you're not concerned about the environmental pollution as long as you have your EV and solar panels you can pat yourself on the back for doing your bit for Climate Change and ignore the Enviromental Damage and those affected by it. Typical " I'm alright Jack " and s*d the rest of mankind.

I’m not making this about me, or indeed about you or any other individual. In fact, I am consistently talking about systemic change and how that might be brought about - the opposite of “I’m alright jack”.

 

[FivetonesCali]

Global warming…..doesn’t matter what we do now…..we are all stuffed

This is plain wrong - if you’re reading things that tell you this then your algorithm is broken

 

[andyinluton]

Global warming…..doesn’t matter what we do now…..we are all stuffed

The way the Leader for world peace & Putin are carrying on, I don't think it's necessarily global warming thats going to be the problem.

 

[FivetonesCali]

Having put solar electricity into mud huts on the farm in SA we found that the electricity was used to power a fridge, satellite TVs & charging phones. The open fire was still used for cooking.

Point taken but those changes are significant improvements for those people’s lives.

 

[FivetonesCali]

The way the Leader for world peace & Putin are carrying on, I don't think it's necessarily global warming thats going to be the problem.

You and I are in agreement! Still, just in case we’re not grubbing around with the cockroaches in the nuclear fallout for the last tin of baked beans then I’d quite like it if we can keep the world habitable

 

[sidepod]

That’s lovely for you.


For the sake of our children’s brain development, our respiratory health and to keep the planet habitable for humans by keeping global heating to a minimum I hope you’re very wrong.

You are aware of the horrors of marine diesel shipping all that Amazon land fill around the globe ? Cars and vans are but a drop in the Ocean by comparison.

 

[FivetonesCali]

You are aware of the horrors of marine diesel shipping all that Amazon land fill around the globe ? Cars and vans are but a drop in the Ocean by comparison.

Of course, if you’re concerned you know what to do!

Re: drop in ocean. Nice pun but not really - automotive is around 8-10% of global ghg output, shipping 2% - source: our world in data.

What’s this got to do with the topic?

 

[Chriskend]

Blimey…. I’ve bumped in to a hornets nest…….. just enjoy the time you have left….. it’s the grandchildren that will suffer, climate change cannot be stopped when morons are in charge…. cop29… the clue is in the name.

 

[chockswahay]

Ladies and gentlemen, could we get my thread back on track?

I think that for @2into1 ’s sanity we should get back on track. This is mission drift for sure

 

[chockswahay]

I'm toying with sinking £80k into a PHEV Cali, but obviously have my worries.

In 2019 I sold an 2017 Ocean thinking that residuals were about to tank and I clearly got that spectacularly wrong!

My logic then and somewhat now is that Calis retain values so well because they have such a long serviceable life and they only evolve gradually, giving 30+ years of demand easily. But electric vehicles were on the horizon, even if useable vans were a long way off.

But now the Kia PV5 (and now the 7) is here and the timetable to viability looks different

I'd speculate the next Cali will be electric, or they'll be a fully electric model, not just a PHEV. If that's right, how will diesel, petrol and PHEV Calis look even 15 years down the line, and what will that do for residuals?

The new Cali PHEV suits my current needs very nicely, but I'm aware it's likely never likely to garner the same love that the previous (fully 'T') models did. Might it get squeezed between the loved T4,5,6 and the next fully electric model?

I'd be interested in your thoughts. I don't need any "just get on with your life" advice. I'm doing that, I'm just curious about this thought experiment.

If you like the Multivan and it suits your needs it’s probably not an unreasonable proposition. You will get way better fuel consumption than a diesel and (referring to your short journey thread) you won’t have to worry about the short trips. If you (are able to?) use an overnight EV tariff you will get the bully bonus of all your short trips for the price of a small packet of peanuts

Pragmatism meets Practicality?

 

[FivetonesCali]

Anyway real talk: the new Olive green colour of the Multivan Cali in California Chris’s latest YouTube video is enough to convince me.

 

[Mansfieldman750]

If you like the Multivan and it suits your needs it’s probably not an unreasonable proposition. You will get way better fuel consumption than a diesel and (referring to your short journey thread) you won’t have to worry about the short trips. If you (are able to?) use an overnight EV tariff you will get the bully bonus of all your short trips for the price of a small packet of peanuts

Pragmatism meets Practicality?

Absolutely, it’s horses for courses.
For our use, which is 99% camping, the T7 is not as good as what we’ve already got.
But for 2into1, ie a mountain biker who wants to only have one vehicle it makes sense.
I would also be worried about residuals but as Yogi Berra said “ predictions are tough, especially about the future “
I would definitely have it on PCP, just in case residuals do tank.

 

[Californication69]

That’s lovely for you.


For the sake of our children’s brain development, our respiratory health and to keep the planet habitable for humans by keeping global heating to a minimum I hope you’re very wrong.

Think you need a word with China and India about global warming. They don’t give two hoots unfortunately. And the millions of planes circumnavigating the globe, and the greedy people and politicians who only want to line theirs and friends pockets, it’s going to be an impossible circle to break.
I hear we have around 200 years worth of oil in the North Sea, but we don’t want to upset the other countries, so we don’t use it.

 

[Californication69]

If you feel that strongly surely the sensible thing to do would be to not have a Campervan whether its an EV or diesel, the production of it contributes to global warming & so does the use of it.
No one needs a Campervan - it's purely a luxury item.

Bike and a tent.
Stay local, eat wild, catch and eat local wild rabbits and fish.
But what about making fire, is that making co2 ?

 

[vmaxkiddy]

That’s lovely for you.


For the sake of our children’s brain development, our respiratory health and to keep the planet habitable for humans by keeping global heating to a minimum I hope you’re very wrong.

The world runs on diesel. No diesel and global warming will be the least of the problems.

 

[FivetonesCali]

The world runs on diesel. No diesel and global warming will be the least of the problems.

Currently. The assertion was that in 50 years that’ll still be true.

Capitalism runs on money. When an alternative to diesel is cheaper the world will run on that. Simple economics.

That’s already happening today with cars (down 15.6% in 2025). When diesel hits £3 I wonder what that will do to sales that were already tanking? The trend will be different for hgv and different again for light commercial but the direction of travel is now set. It’s only a matter of time and that will be less than 50 years.

2025 (Full Year) Britain: New Car Market Overview and Analysis - Car Sales Statistics

In full-year 2025, the new car market in Britain expanded with sales up 3.55 to over 2 million new passenger vehicle registrations in the UK.

www.best-selling-cars.com

 

[sidepod]

Anyway, for the second time, back to the point.

@2into1 what does your typical camping trip look like?

 

[2into1]

Anyway, for the second time, back to the point.

@2into1 what does your typical camping trip look like?

Well, I'd like to be moving every few days. UK touring. Now we have the 6.4m Ducato, we feel rather beached once we are on site (Vs the Cali). It might only be 1.4m longer than a T6 but it feels like a hgv in comparison when trying to get into small villages or park by beaches or even supermarkets in small towns. I've tried to solve that by taking a bike, but the recent arrival of a new puppy has complicated that (we are working on it, see photo). But that doesn't solve for my partner and her dog who don't cycle.

The van is rear lounged so doesn't have a garage as such. Carrying such a huge SUV type e bike is an extra challenge.
Being virtually retired we can stay out as long as the weather suits, but making decisions last minute means we can't pick and choose sites that solve the above problems.
I can fit a Cali at home but nothing bigger, so it has to live in paid storage with the extra loading/unloading hassle that brings.
I guess if the length of stay was longer I'd be better suited with a caravan!

 

[sidepod]

It does sound like you’re better suited to the darker side of things
Friends of ours have an Eriba. It does seem pretty useful tbh.