Urgent help needed - accident related

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T7 ocean
My neighbour has just reversed at speed through a fence and into the side of my 1 year old Ocean.

They have admitted all responsibility and will go through their insurance to fix the Cali

I'm not at home at the moment but my son has sent a photo and the rear passenger door is completly destroyed, I'm not sure about any other panel damage or anything internal as it's the kitchen side.

What can I make sure I demand of their insurance company, I don't want some back street garage attempting to fix the Cali?

I'm shaking with shock and anger as I type this.

All advice much appreciated.
 
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Don’t know if different in UK but here we get the car examined in VW garage, it is you who decide where it will be repaired. As your ocean is brand new I don’t think there will be any discussion.
 
First thing is to chill I guess. Anger may feel like it helps but it is what it is - it is how you deal with it that matters. I’m sure it wasn't deliberate.

You will find it easier to go through your insurance. They will claim back from theirs, including your excess. No “backstreet garage” will be replacing your door, and doing all the bodywork and painting - you will need to go through a VW bodyshop.
 
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My neighbour has just reversed at speed through a fence and into the side of my 1 year old Ocean.

They have admitted all responsibility and will go through their insurance to fix the Cali

I'm not at home at the moment but my son has sent a photo and the rear passenger door is completly destroyed, I'm not sure about any other panel damage or anything internal as it's the kitchen side.

What can I make sure I demand of their insurance company, I don't want some back street garage attempting to fix the Cali?

I'm shaking with shock and anger as I type this.

All advice much appreciated.
1. Get your son to take lots of photos of your vehicle, front,back,side , other vehicle and surrounding area.
2. Inform your Insurer.
3. Investigate VW approved accident repairers that can deal with vehicles the size of a California, not all can.
4. Your Insurer may want the vehicle assessed before proceeding or may send you a list of their approved bodyshops and ask you to pick one who will do the assessment and repair.
5. If no VW approved body shops on their list then point this out and the fact that the vehicle is 1 Yr old and under VW warranty so must be repaired to VW standards to maintain warranty.

Point 5 probably won't arise.

Do you need a courtesy car? If your policy allows then claim it. You won't be paying , the other Insurance will.
 
Thanks for the responses, their insurance company have been in touch and told me that they don't have any repair companies on their books that can do the repair and they can only provide a hatchback as a hire car. So I have been in touch with my insurance and they are going to handle the claim and then claim it back from their company
 
One place you would have thought your Cali would be safe is on your own drive!
The 3rd party insurance will what to get the cheapest fix for them. When we had a claim and the 3rd party insurance started puffing and trying it on went direct to our own company they did all the work arrange replacement car of a size I wanted and arranged VW approved repair. Out of pocket expenses claimed back. No noticeable effect on my renewal cost.
 
Do you need a courtesy car? If your policy allows then claim it. You won't be paying , the other Insurance will.

Careful with this and any appointed "accident management company" that handle this on behalf of the insurance company. You use the words "hire car" too. It shouldn't be a car you hire, it should be a courtesy car provided if your policy has that. I'm on a cycling forum (Singletrack) and many people have posted they have been caught out hiring a car not actually using a free courtesy car. Read the small print.... Don't get caught hiring a car then trying to claim this back.
 
I've got home now to look at the damage and the rear passenger door is completely smashed in, so much so it has pushed the kitchen units off the side and I can see broken fixing left.

The front passenger door is also dented and the sill below the front passenger door is dented in.

How repairable is all this?
 
I've got home now to look at the damage and the rear passenger door is completely smashed in, so much so it has pushed the kitchen units off the side and I can see broken fixing left.

The front passenger door is also dented and the sill below the front passenger door is dented in.

How repairable is all this?
Depends if the insurance company deems it repairable-unfortunately they are very quick to write a vehicle off. I feel your pain, but I would be getting a VW body shop opinion before anything is agreed. You can have the vehicle repaired where you choose although your policy might have an excess for that. Is your Cali exactly a year old? Do you have new for old cover? Any GAP?
 
... and above all, the accident wasn't intentional so anger has no place. Sadness, absolutely!
Take it easy as best you can.
 
It’s no comfort at all, but consider yourself lucky.
1. You weren’t on a private jet in Florida.
2. You didn’t pass away and leave your family.
3. Ask VW local as poss California dealer to come and assess the damage.
It might be a total loss.
Is it diesel or hybrid ?
 
I agree with the sentiment and experience above. We had our 2week old Volvo repaired at Volvo when someone reversed past our car very badly ! Our insurer offered no resistance. We also had a Volvo or similar offered as a replacement.

Also tell your insurer of any property damage. We had this 2 years ago when a car smashed through a garden wall (also causing minor damage to our Cali). They had a specialist company handle everything - brickwork, fencing, log store, replacement 6m tree and shrubs, and a street sign. It took a while to complete but it was all sorted.
 
Ouch and sorry to see this - always horrible but somehow much worse whenever its a Cali as we all know how we feel about our own. The anger/annoyance/pain is understandable therefore, but it will subside over the coming days, which is the time to start making the important decisions, not today.

But as others have said get a VW approved bodyshop to look at it under the wings of your own insurer (not the 3rd parties insurer). Then once you have their report you know what you are dealing with and can then start to make some logical choices. Looks horrible in that photo but its hard to tell from that if its a new door and some cosmetic bodywork or whether its also done damage to the shell, or hit the wheel and damaged the drivetrain etc etc.

Everyone will have a different view, but dare any part of that decision making will be based on what your longer term plans for the Cali are. By which I mean, if you have it on a lease and then plan to hand it back to VW at the end of the lease then you might be less bothered about owning a repaired vehicle than you will be if its either a long term keeper and/or if the insurance categorisation subsequently impacts your resale value.

Personally, if it were me and once the red mist had settled I think my preferred option would be to push to get it written off and that line of thinking being aided by a) the launch of the facelift and b) the time of year unless you were hoping to use it much over the winter, getting a replacement in the spring. Of course part of that then comes down to what the money looks like and if new for old is an option. If that's what you decide then make sure you help the process of getting it written off by pointing out every single defect to the assessor so their costs escalate - two tone paint for example, any possible scratches on the interior components that mean they can't be re-used etc.

Finally, I did have to have some paintwork done on mine at Marshalls VW in Reading - whilst that was only minor paint works (ironically repairing damage which they inflicted during its first service) they did it well and some 3 years later there is still no sign of that repair. Not sure about their capability on more substantial damage but they may at least be an option to chat to depending on distance from you.

Good luck !
 
My T7 Beach , a year old, had some minor damage to re brake light cluster caused by a third party. Admiral insurance are happy for me to have repairs done via the VW dealer who sold the car rather than their authorized repairers. Good luck
 
Sorry to hear about what happened! I would add to the recommendations already made of having a VW main dealer that also deals with Californias look at it. One big reason for this is to see if there has been any habitation area damage, in addition to the damage already identified, that may be missed by any other accident repair specialist. Best to have all bases covered and I wish you all the best, however it works out.
 
Sorry to hear what's happened to you.
Unless the monocoque is badly bent I can't see an insurer writing that off due to the high value of the vehicle.
My unattended car was recently hit in a car park by a driver who left the scene. Thankfully, we got details of the car and let the police know. My insurer handled the claim and it went to their preferred body shop and was repaired to a very high standard. As everything was being claimed back through the 3rd party I was offered upgraded courtesy car etc. Obviously, it will depend on how good an insurer you're with....and this is the only time you truly find out whether they're competent.
 
Just to provide an update, this has been an overly stressful process so far, I had a text message to call the neighbours insurance company and when I spoke to them, they said that as the California was a specialist vehicle they couldn't repair it or provide me with a like for like courtesy vehicle and I'd need to speak to my insurance company!

My insurance obviously just passed it straight to a claims handling company who provided me with the name of a local VW approved bodyshop who I spoke to and when I asked the question about what they would do with the kitchen in regards to ensuring it is OK, they suggested that I take the van back to the company who did the conversion, FFS! That didn't fill me with much confidence.

As of last thing Friday I am now in communications with a different claims handling company who was recommended by the bodyshop that is used by the dealer I bought the California from.

I'm now waiting to hear back from this claims company with what happens next.
 
Just to provide an update, this has been an overly stressful process so far, I had a text message to call the neighbours insurance company and when I spoke to them, they said that as the California was a specialist vehicle they couldn't repair it or provide me with a like for like courtesy vehicle and I'd need to speak to my insurance company!

My insurance obviously just passed it straight to a claims handling company who provided me with the name of a local VW approved bodyshop who I spoke to and when I asked the question about what they would do with the kitchen in regards to ensuring it is OK, they suggested that I take the van back to the company who did the conversion, FFS! That didn't fill me with much confidence.

As of last thing Friday I am now in communications with a different claims handling company who was recommended by the bodyshop that is used by the dealer I bought the California from.

I'm now waiting to hear back from this claims company with what happens next.
I would highly advise you not to deal with a claims handling company.

You do not have to use a third party claims company - all your insurance company is doing is shifting the responsibility. Insist your own insurance company handle everything.

You need to get on top of this quickly because if you agree to a third party handling this claim it will become much harder to manage.

If your own insurance company refuse to manage this claim - just go straight to their complaints and use AI to give you properly worded email that points to your rights.

I only know this because I had similar incident recently but with my Tesla and had to look into it all. Insurance companies try and force you into using an Accident Management Company and it's not in your best interests because you now have another party to deal with.

I used my Insurer to repair the car - and the at fault drivers insurance to get a similar Hire Car for the time it took to repair which was fully paid and insured by the at fault drivers insurance.




Here's a quick AI Summary from Gemini:



You do not have to use the third-party claims handling company. When another driver hits you and admits fault, your insurer will often try to refer you to an Accident Management Company (AMC) so they can avoid handling the admin themselves and earn a referral fee, while the AMC makes money by charging the at-fault insurer high rates for a "credit hire" car and repairs. [1]
Because fault is already admitted, you have three clear options for how to proceed: [1]

Your Three Options

OptionHow It WorksPros & Cons
1. Deal directly with the at-fault driver's insurerContact the other driver's insurance company directly. Since they have admitted fault, they will usually arrange your repairs and provide a standard courtesy car at their own cost.Pros: No excess to pay, no credit hire agreements to sign, and your own policy stays completely untouched.
Cons: You deal with their customer service directly.
2. Insist on claiming on your own policyTell your insurer you decline the referral to the claims company and want to claim under your own comprehensive policy.Pros: Your insurer manages the repair through their approved network.
Cons: You usually have to pay your policy excess upfront (and wait to get it back), and your No Claims Bonus may be temporarily affected until they recover the costs.
3. Use the Accident Management Company (AMC)Accept your insurer's referral to the external claims handler.Pros: No upfront excess, and you usually get a like-for-like replacement car.
Cons: You are signing a credit hire and credit repair contract in your own name. If the at-fault insurer disputes the inflated hire car rates later, you can be dragged into court proceedings as a witness—or, in rare cases where you fail to cooperate, held liable for the costs.

Why Your Insurer Is Pushing This
  • Referral Fees & Cost Shifting: Passing a non-fault claim to an AMC means your insurer pays nothing out of pocket and receives a commission. [1]
  • Credit Hire Risks: As noted by the Financial Ombudsman Service, AMCs often place you into unregulated credit agreements. Insurers must explain your options fairly and must not mislead you into thinking you have no choice. [1]
  • Community Consensus: One point of agreement among users on Reddit is that when an AMC pursues a credit hire claim, they initiate legal proceedings in your name and require you to cooperate with paperwork or court appearances if the other insurer challenges the bill. [1]

Recommended Next Steps
  1. Check if the other insurer has contacted you: If the other driver admitted fault, their insurer will often reach out to offer direct repairs and a hire car (known as third-party assistance). If you only have vehicle damage and no personal injuries, dealing with them directly is usually the simplest, risk-free route. [1, 2]
  2. Tell your insurer "No" clearly: If you want to use your own policy instead, tell your insurer: "I am declining the referral to the accident management company and wish to make a standard claim under my comprehensive policy."
  3. Do not sign credit agreements blindly: If you do consider using the claims handling company, ask specifically whether the courtesy car is a credit hire agreement and what happens if the third-party insurer disputes the daily rate. [1]
 
To the OP, you say that your son has sent a photo and the rear passenger door is completely destroyed. Well as far as the repairs are concerned, that could actually be positive thing. At least that door can easily be replaced and there is nothing vital inboard, whereas any damage on the N/S would likely involve the removal of the entire kitchen/wardrobe system which would increase the complexity of the repair many fold.
 
To the OP, you say that your son has sent a photo and the rear passenger door is completely destroyed. Well as far as the repairs are concerned, that could actually be positive thing. At least that door can easily be replaced and there is nothing vital inboard, whereas any damage on the N/S would likely involve the removal of the entire kitchen/wardrobe system which would increase the complexity of the repair many fold.
It's a T7, there are rear passenger doors on both sides and yes the kitchen has been affected by the impact, so it's possible that it might have to come out.
 
I suggest checking with your insurers if the whole vehicle is covered according to the original manufacturer’s specification (policy wording ideally, rather than a phone call). This may sound like an obvious question but I checked with mine (LV) and they confirmed that any damage to the habitation area, including the kitchen, would be covered as it is part of the original manufacturer’s specification. If that is the case then they are obliged to honour not just bodywork but the habitation area as well. This will probably mean that they have to honour repaire being done at a VW California dealer as it will be a specialist repair. LV had to do this when the outer glazing of my rear window was shattered by a stone chip. This shredded the internal blind and their approved repairer could not replace the window as it is double glazed and only supplied by VW. Importantly, I did have to pay extra for this.
 
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