Goodbye 6.1, hello T7, Goodbye T7 hello 6.1

[Roger Boeken]

So did a quick inter web comparison, kind of what I thought and experience really (I wasn't sure about the VW system)

In a word, yes

Google maps is much better at updating live traffic, sometimes this can backfire, but generally, very good at knowing what's ahead and offering options, to be fair this has saved me many hours of being stuck in jams! The VW one doesn't do that, this alone for me would be why I would always use it over the VW one

are you sure about that ? I got all the live info I need in my cali built in GPS. ETA is always very accurate including jams and traffic works and accidents..

 

[Chriskend]

Actually, following on from me making a complete idiot of myself I do have a serious question - not sure this is the thread for this but it is related I think.

I had a 5.1 loved it, 6 and loved it and 6.1 and hated it (although I think I got the wrong spec even though I ordered it and forgot the privacy glass which I hated) but I also wasn't keen on the dash and digital display but could really see some other massive improvements - such as the (150 BHP) engine seemed smoother, oddly the side door also seemed smoother and could see the benefit of the new bed as well as other features.

I love these things so much that I'm thinking of getting another, so not so interested in the T7 (despite being corrected on the platform) so in peoples opinion of those who've had the 6 and 6.1, is it better to go for a 6 or spend a bit more and get a 6.1?

Get a T7

 

[sbmcd]

Yeah agree, depends on seat position, I took a 15HP Honda 4 stroke outboard and a 3.5M SIB in the back of my T5.1 to Greece once and the seat wasn't all the way forward, find it pretty flexible to be honest, although can also be a pain and feel super small!!

Sounds like a trailer may have been useful lol.

 

[andyinluton]

Get a T7

I love these things so much that I'm thinking of getting another, so not so interested in the T7 (despite being corrected on the platform) so in peoples opinion of those who've had the 6 and 6.1, is it better to go for a 6 or spend a bit more and get a 6.1?

You've got the important bit right, ignore the T7, it's an overloaded car pretending to be a van, it's bigger on the outside & smaller on the insid, how's that progress?

The T6 is the right one to go for if you have a fetish about large gloveboxes, other than that I. cant think of a reason to buy what will be an older van.

On the other hand if you want CarPlay, LED headlights, a reclining downstairs bed and other luxuries as standard the T6.1 is the answer.

 

[TripleBee]

First of all sorry and thank you for pointing out the origin of your statement. I Never read these footnotes before.
But :
1. according to your profile you have T5 SE 140, is this what this document is about ?
2. please note that the +100kg on the hitch allows only +25kg on the rear axle max load(footnote 14.3) Seems very difficult for me if the vehicle is already at its MTM.
3. I immediately checked for my ocean T6.1 204 and figures are different:
my document states 16.1 as MTM = 3080kg
footnote 16.1 with trailer: + 0 kg
footnote16.2 with trailer: axle 2 +75kg
Things must have changed over the years. Or is it because I have DCC option (dynamic chassis control)?
I hope others will let us know what is on their document. To me, it remains a mystery how Volkswagen arrived at the figures on your document; it defies all logic. The MTM stated on the technical inspection (MOT) documents is decisive. The identification report lists only one figure for the MTM, usually 3000 or 3080 kg (4motion) for the Cali. In my opinion, the footnote on the VW document will not be taken into account during an inspection.
looking forward to other reactions.

If you look at point 14.3, you will see the maximum load of the front and rear axle. If you add both up, you get 3125kg. This is of course not the MTM. That still is only 3000kg (+100kg on the tow hitch added to that).
This certainly means that if you would load the van up to 3125kg, there would still be no problem for the van itself.
If you load the van in a certain way that you load the front axle up to 1550kg, you can only have the rear axle to weigh 1450kg instead of 1575kg.
What footnote 14.3 means is that, when the van is loaded to 3000kg, you can have the extra 100kg on the tow hitch if the load on the rear axle (in my case) may not exceed 1600kg. This means, if the rear axle weighs 1600kg, the front axle may only weigh 1500kg.

 

[Roger Boeken]

please keep in mind :

If you look at point 14.3, you will see the maximum load of the front and rear axle. If you add both up, you get 3125kg. This is of course not the MTM. That still is only 3000kg (+100kg on the tow hitch added to that).
This certainly means that if you would load the van up to 3125kg, there would still be no problem for the van itself.
If you load the van in a certain way that you load the front axle up to 1550kg, you can only have the rear axle to weigh 1450kg instead of 1575kg.
What footnote 14.3 means is that, when the van is loaded to 3000kg, you can have the extra 100kg on the tow hitch if the load on the rear axle (in my case) may not exceed 1600kg. This means, if the rear axle weighs 1600kg, the front axle may only weigh 1500kg.

The increase in rear axle load due to tow hitch is greater than the tow hitch load itself and is calculated using the formula: increase in rear axle load = tow hitch load × (wheelbase + rear overhang) / wheelbase.
for a cali this would be: tow hitch load x (3+1)/3 .
I still wonder if, when you carry 2 electric bikes on the towbar and your vehicle is weighed, the footnotes on the COC are taken into account. Is the mere fact that you have a towbar sufficient to allow the Cali to load up to 3100kg? Or are these figures only valid if you are actually towing a trailer?

In any case, it is not a general rule that the towbar gives rise to extra payload capacity, the figures (footnotes) on my COC are completely different from those of your vehicle.

 

[TripleBee]

please keep in mind :


The increase in rear axle load due to tow hitch is greater than the tow hitch load itself and is calculated using the formula: increase in rear axle load = tow hitch load × (wheelbase + rear overhang) / wheelbase.
for a cali this would be: tow hitch load x (3+1)/3 .
I still wonder if, when you carry 2 electric bikes on the towbar and your vehicle is weighed, the footnotes on the COC are taken into account. Is the mere fact that you have a towbar sufficient to allow the Cali to load up to 3100kg? Or are these figures only valid if you are actually towing a trailer?

In any case, it is not a general rule that the towbar gives rise to extra payload capacity, the figures (footnotes) on my COC are completely different from those of your vehicle.

Where the load weight on the tow hitch in normal cars is included in the MTM of the vehicle (MTM - 75kg), in my case it is just MTM + 100kg.
As the footnote states: MTM + 100kg, so I think I can load the van up to 3000kg, and just add a bike carrier with bikes up to 100kg, just making sure I load the front and rear axle in the right way so I don't overload one axle.

 

[andyinluton]

Where the load weight on the tow hitch in normal cars is included in the MTM of the vehicle (MTM - 75kg), in my case it is just MTM + 100kg.
As the footnote states: MTM + 100kg, so I think I can load the van up to 3000kg, and just add a bike carrier with bikes up to 100kg, just making sure I load the front and rear axle in the right way so I don't overload one axle.

At a roadside stop, if you get weighed there is only one place they will be looking as to what your max weight can be & thats the plate under the bonnet. What does that state?

 

[Roger Boeken]

Where the load weight on the tow hitch in normal cars is included in the MTM of the vehicle (MTM - 75kg), in my case it is just MTM + 100kg.
As the footnote states: MTM + 100kg, so I think I can load the van up to 3000kg, and just add a bike carrier with bikes up to 100kg, just making sure I load the front and rear axle in the right way so I don't overload one axle.

Thank you again for drawing attention to the footnotes of the COC document. I wonder how many here have looked at it.

 

[Bluestone]

You've got the important bit right, ignore the T7, it's an overloaded car pretending to be a van, it's bigger on the outside & smaller on the insid, how's that progress?

The T6 is the right one to go for if you have a fetish about large gloveboxes, other than that I. cant think of a reason to buy what will be an older van.

On the other hand if you want CarPlay, LED headlights, a reclining downstairs bed and other luxuries as standard the T6.1 is the answer.

I agree, although my T6 also had LED headlights and car play to be fair, also sure my T6 had the reclining rear seat? But yeah very much going that way to be honest, think I can get over myself with the glovebox!!

And yes, will not be getting a T7! Each to their own but T6.1 was the last of the true California's IMO

 

[Bluestone]

Sounds like a trailer may have been useful lol.

Haha, yep I did later and then sold it all, although to be fair, SIB's are the whole concept of boat in a bag and can be put in the boot of most cars (not the outboard though) - trying to stay away from Break Out Another Thousand's