Tow a Smart car

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Hi all, forgive an old imbecile but my old man can’t drive anymore and has offered us his 2016 Smart ForFour as a car to tow around the country with our T6.1 Cali. Only 700kg so seems an option for long trips away.

Trouble is I’m told you need a special factory fit A-frame to tow it on the flat, which cost around £2000 all in!! So I have questions;

a) is that the only option to tow in the UK?
b) can you buy a used A-frame and any known for sale that I can fit at home?
c) can a 2-wheel tow dolly work (much cheaper)?

I like the idea and it’s low mileage but no way I want to pay £2k to tow a £5k car!


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Hi all, forgive an old imbecile but my old man can’t drive anymore and has offered us his 2016 Smart ForFour as a car to tow around the country with our T6.1 Cali. Only 700kg so seems an option for long trips away.

Trouble is I’m told you need a special factory fit A-frame to tow it on the flat, which cost around £2000 all in!! So I have questions;

a) is that the only option to tow in the UK?
b) can you buy a used A-frame and any known for sale that I can fit at home?
c) can a 2-wheel tow dolly work (much cheaper)?

I like the idea and it’s low mileage but no way I want to pay £2k to tow a £5k car!


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Better off getting the special Brian James Trailer for a smart car. It's designed specially so its exactly the minimum size needed with the wheels in the right place to get the nose weight correct. Will cost less than a A frame for a second hand one.

There's questions about the legality of towing any car with all four wheels on the flat.

A 2 wheel dolly is not legal except for breakdown recovery.
 
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A 2 wheel dolly is not legal except for breakdown recovery.
Interesting. I passed one just yesterday on the back of a Ducato based motor home , towing an old Mini.

What, out of interest, doesn’t the nanny state like about them?
 
Better off getting the special Brian James Trailer for a smart car. It's designed specially so its exactly the minimum size needed with the wheels in the right place to get the nose weight correct. Will cost less than a A frame for a second hand one.

There's questions about the legality of towing any car with all four wheels on the flat.

A 2 wheel dolly is not legal except for breakdown recovery.

BJ trailers are just as expensive and, depending where you stop over you potentially end up with a Cali, awning, trailer and Smart car all in the same pitch which would likely be frowned upon? I can’t see why a dolly is unacceptable if you have the lighting board number plate on car covered etc as that’s what essentially they’re for…


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Hi all, forgive an old imbecile but my old man can’t drive anymore and has offered us his 2016 Smart ForFour as a car to tow around the country with our T6.1 Cali. Only 700kg so seems an option for long trips away.

Trouble is I’m told you need a special factory fit A-frame to tow it on the flat, which cost around £2000 all in!! So I have questions;

a) is that the only option to tow in the UK?
b) can you buy a used A-frame and any known for sale that I can fit at home?
c) can a 2-wheel tow dolly work (much cheaper)?

I like the idea and it’s low mileage but no way I want to pay £2k to tow a £5k car!


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Don’t wish to be offensive but why? Just drive the Cali, it’s not as if it’s a like a Great White :eek:
 
Interesting. I passed one just yesterday on the back of a Ducato based motor home , towing an old Mini.

What, out of interest, doesn’t the nanny state like about them?

Lack of brakes is one problem. The minute you start towing a car it becomes a trailer so trailer regulations apply. The most important of those regs are those pertaining to brakes - basically the car brakes have to to be connected and work.
 
Even if the use of a dolly is legal, other than for short distance recovery, the weight of the dolly plus the 700Kg Smart car will take you above the 750Kg max unbraked limit.

Searching on Google does seem to throw up contradictory advice on the legality of tow dollies for general use.
 
Google says 2016 Smart ForFour weighs 950kg (yes I was surprised, that much!) so very likely to be unlawful to tow on an unbraked trailer - or dolly.
 
Interesting. I passed one just yesterday on the back of a Ducato based motor home , towing an old Mini.

What, out of interest, doesn’t the nanny state like about them?
Over on the funsters forum, hundreds of the retired generation don’t give a flying fudge and tow a frames all over Europe.
None of them admit to being pulled
And they all live a great retirement, from the pictures I see
 
Don’t wish to be offensive but why? Just drive the Cali, it’s not as if it’s a like a Great White :eek:

It’s an option that I feel is worth exploring…


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From WWW.GOV.UK re the legalities of an A frame.​


What is an A-frame?​

An A-frame is a frame (shaped like an A) which is attached to the front of a vehicle (eg a car) to provide an attachment that allows the vehicle to be towed behind another vehicle (eg a motorhome). The department’s view of the legal position in Great Britain (GB) is outlined below.

Type approval of an A-frame​

Type approval of most new trailers became compulsory on 29 October 2012. However, the A-frame itself is neither a vehicle nor a trailer, and is therefore outside the scope of type approval.

Legal issues​

When an A-frame is attached to a vehicle (eg a motor car) we consider the A-frame and car temporarily become a single unit. When towed by another motor vehicle (eg motorhome) we believe that this single unit is, for the purposes of its construction, treated in GB legislation as a trailer.

As a consequence, the car and A-frame are required to meet the technical requirements for trailers when used on the road in GB. These requirements are contained within the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 (SI 1986/1078) as amended (C&U) and the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 (SI 1989/1796) as amended (RVLR).

It is important that the towed vehicle (car and A-frame assembly) braking system complies with the legal requirements. Regulations 15 of C&U set out the technical requirements for the braking systems of motor vehicles, first used on or after 1 April 1983 and for trailers manufactured on or after 1 October 1982. The minimum braking efficiencies, including those applying to the combination of the towing vehicle and the trailer, are set out in Regulation 18.

Subject to certain age exemptions, (the technical requirements for older vehicles are set out in Regulation 16) the regulation requires the braking system to comply with the construction, fitting and performance requirements of European Community Directive 71/320/EEC along with its various amending directives. Alternatively the braking system can comply with the corresponding UNECE Regulation No.13.09. Regulation 86A of C&U, regarding the use of a secondary coupling, also applies.

Trailers having a maximum laden weight not exceeding 750kg are not required to have brakes fitted. However, if the trailer (regardless of mass) is fitted with a braking system, then all brakes in that system must operate correctly and efficiently. This means that the braking systems of small ‘microcars’ (under 750kg in weight) must still operate, even when the vehicle is being towed. Unless the vehicle is broken down, when C&Umakes special provision.

Regulation 18 of C&U requires the braking system to be maintained in good and efficient working order. Where a remote device is used to actuate the brake pedal of a trailer (including a car and A-frame assembly), the actuation device must be properly designed to ensure that the braking performance of the towed vehicle is suitably controlled to ensure the safe and stable braking of the vehicle combination (the towing vehicle and the trailer).

Modern vehicles may be equipped with a range of advanced safety features such as advanced emergency braking (AEB), electronic stability control (ESC), regenerative braking etc. These technologies may render the vehicle unsuitable for use with an A-frame.

Since 1 October 1988 inertia braking systems have been required to allow a trailer to be reversed by the towing vehicle without imposing a sustained braking drag. Devices used to fulfil this requirement must engage and disengage automatically. This applies to A-frames that employ inertia overrun technology.

Other provisions from Regulation 15 and Regulation 86A of C&U require the fitting and use of a secondary coupling system in which the trailer is stopped automatically if the main coupling separates whilst the combination is in motion. Alternatively, in the case of trailers up to a maximum mass of 1500kg, the drawbar must be prevented from touching the ground and the trailer able to retain some residual steering.

Users should consult both the vehicle manufacturer and the manufacturer of the A-frame device to ensure that all the requirements of the regulations can be met.

Whilst being towed, A-frame and car ‘units’ are subject to the relevant requirements (for trailers) given in RVLR, including the use of triangular red reflectors to the rear. There are also requirements for the display of the appropriate number plate on the rear of the towed ‘unit’.

Use of A-frame outside UK​

The views expressed above are only applicable for the UK. We understand that these view are not shared in other European countries and we would not recommend use of an A-frame outside the UK without some investigation of the rules that apply in the relevant country. We are unable to comment on, or enter into correspondence on, the situation in other countries as this will be governed by their domestic laws, together with the Vienna Convention.

We would remind users that the views expressed above relate solely to the technical requirements for a motor vehicle when being used with an A-frame. Users should satisfy themselves that they comply with all other aspects of road traffic law that may apply whether the towed vehicle is viewed as a trailer or as a motor vehicle.
 
Over on the funsters forum, hundreds of the retired generation don’t give a flying fudge and tow a frames all over Europe.
None of them admit to being pulled
And they all live a great retirement, from the pictures I see
I'd say that MIGHT be fine when towing with a Great White along a motorway. A Cali is a different matter, IMO. I tow a car transporter trailer thousands of miles each year with my Cali and even if the law allowed I wouldn't want to pull an unbraked load (ie a car on an A-frame) with a towing vehicle as moderate weight as a Cali. Even with a modestly loaded braked twin-axle trailer (usually around 1.5 tonnes all-up in my case) an emergency stop downhill in the wet isn't to be taken lightly.
 
As an aside, just remember you’re not allowed in lane 3 with a trailer.

Ask me how I know!
MW10 - 3 points.
It's amazing how many drivers (without trailers) don't know it, as they potter along in lane 2 at 55mph, wondering why you're indicating and flashing them to get out of the way when lane 3 is empty.

End of rant. ;)
 
Mine was utterly ridiculous. Sat in traffic crawling along at walking speed. I was sat behind an HGV so I just crawled past it in lane 3 and back in.
A few miles later plod in his unmarked pulled me in.
He knew it was an offence but he had to look it up!
At least they made the world a safer place that day.
 
Is this thread becoming silly.
Yes as is, personal opinion, the idea of towing a Smart Car behind a California, which within 10 minutes can be driven anywhere a Smart car can go.
Towing behind a Motorhome is a different ball game.
 
Yes as is, personal opinion, the idea of towing a Smart Car behind a California, which within 10 minutes can be driven anywhere a Smart car can go.
Towing behind a Motorhome is a different ball game.
Or get bikes, electric or alternative!
 
Or get bikes, electric or alternative!

That didn’t answer my question & totally unhelpful, especially when you don’t know my reasons behind it!! (Yes I can use an ! too)

Maybe a bike isn’t an option…


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That didn’t answer my question & totally unhelpful, especially when you don’t know my reasons behind it!! (Yes I can use an ! too)

Maybe a bike isn’t an option…


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Didn't mean to cause offence, just a thought that's all.
 

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