Would appreciate advice on how best to secure my California?

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South coast
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T6 Ocean 204 4Motion
Have looked at steering wheel locks, pedal locks and Bear locks (which I believe is a manual installation that prevents the van being taken out of reverse gear?) Does this work for automatics? Also considering a tracker device/apple tag. Would be great to know other owners thoughts? Thanks
 
Have looked at steering wheel locks, pedal locks and Bear locks (which I believe is a manual installation that prevents the van being taken out of reverse gear?) Does this work for automatics? Also considering a tracker device/apple tag. Would be great to know other owners thoughts? Thanks
It might help to know where you keep your van and also speak to your insurance company as they are likely to require some form of tracking.
In addition to hidden security, we also use a yellow standard steering wheel bar as a visual warning. We know it could probably be removed but it would slow someone down.
 
Insure it. Lock it. Keep the key safe in your pocket.

Everything else is for your peace of mind (which is fine) and has no practical outcome on if your van is stolen or not.

Stats say not.
 
Ghost immobiliser was the weapon of choice a few years ago.

Use the search function top Right (spy glass)

Here you go for starters

Another vote for the Ghost, don't every worry where I leave it now. We all know that the factory fit one can be defeated in seconds via the front drivers headlight and whilst the Ghost wont stop them getting in if they really want to, it isn't going anywhere. I can never see the point in a tracker as by the time it becomes useful its already gone?

I'm also an Apple Airtag type of guy, I have a few hidden behind trim etc, but you need to remember to remove the speaker in them first.
 
Another vote for the Ghost, don't every worry where I leave it now. We all know that the factory fit one can be defeated in seconds via the front drivers headlight and whilst the Ghost wont stop them getting in if they really want to, it isn't going anywhere. I can never see the point in a tracker as by the time it becomes useful its already gone?

I'm also an Apple Airtag type of guy, I have a few hidden behind trim etc, but you need to remember to remove the speaker in them first.
The point of a tracker is irrelevant if the insurance company won't cover the vehicle without one
 
The point of a tracker is irrelevant if the insurance company won't cover the vehicle without one
Very true but on my 2nd Cali and never had any insurance insisted on anything let alone a tracker, perhaps its where you live/leave it?
 
Very true but on my 2nd Cali and never had any insurance insisted on anything let alone a tracker, perhaps its where you live/leave it?
On my annual round of sorting out insurance, I found out it depends on the value of the Camper. There's a value tipping point for several insurers, above which they insisted on a tracker. This value ranged from £65k for some, £75k for some others
 
We all know that the factory fit one can be defeated in seconds via the front drivers headlight…

Fully respect your need to secure your van and peace of mind your way but this is the type of inaccurate comment with no factual evidence other than “a mate of a mate saw a YouTube video once and told me in a pub so I now repeat it as an indisputable truth that we all know” comment that gives forums a bad name.
 
Have looked at steering wheel locks, pedal locks and Bear locks (which I believe is a manual installation that prevents the van being taken out of reverse gear?) Does this work for automatics? Also considering a tracker device/apple tag. Would be great to know other owners thoughts? Thanks
I’ve just bought a Disklok Diamond after there was a spate of van thefts in our area. It’s the only one that ‘prevents’ someone with an angle grinder cutting a slot in the steering wheel and sliding out a traditional steering wheel lock. I can’t imagine that would take more than a few seconds to do. I’m wary of things such as a Ghost as that could quickly become just another attack surface for someone to get into your car’s starter/immobiliser system. I keep my keys in a metal tea caddy although this is probably superfluous as I don’t think keyless theft is possible on a T6 - but I don’t feel like taking the risk. After that, it’s down to insurance. Out of interest, have many people had their bike rack nicked? Mine was stolen last February along with four or five others in the area on the same night. It’s a shame as I really liked the ‘look’! There’s probably no point buying another as that will get stolen at some point too.
 
I have a Construct gearbox lock (similar to Bearlock). It's required here in NL to insure against theft by most insurance companies.
 
I keep my keys in a metal tea caddy although this is probably superfluous as I don’t think keyless theft is possible on a T6 - but I don’t feel like taking the risk.

There are no keyless gubbins on a Cali to hack so while superfluous it’s not a bad idea to have them hidden away and not sat next to the front door on a tray.
 
There are no keyless gubbins on a Cali to hack so while superfluous it’s not a bad idea to have them hidden away and not sat next to the front door on a tray.
Ditto, ours are in a tin too, we always know where to find them then!!
 
Fully respect your need to secure your van and peace of mind your way but this is the type of inaccurate comment with no factual evidence other than “a mate of a mate saw a YouTube video once and told me in a pub so I now repeat it as an indisputable truth that we all know” comment that gives forums a bad name.
Well Dave, handbags at dawn it is... it is in older vans possible albeit only as part of a multi stage electronic attack (not of course an opportunist thief). CAN BUS exposure gives access to key programming and door unlocking and then a coding attack is possible and surprisingly quick, admittedly on more modern vans this route has been hardened and wouldn't be sufficient on its own to defeat the immobiliser.

It beats me why there are so many individuals on this forum that just like to go out of their way to try and correct others, with little knowledge of who those people are and/or their backgrounds. Enjoy :happy
 
Regarding:

"We all know that the factory fit one can be defeated in seconds via the front drivers headlight…";

well, I don't know that @Lost Boy and would find it quite interesting if there is a link to an elaboration somewhere.

As to:

"It beats me why there are so many individuals on this forum that just like to go out of their way to try and correct others, with little knowledge of who those people are and/or their backgrounds. Enjoy :happy";

personally - if I may in just this case make my own corrective observation @Lost Boy - I would say that this forum is thankfully a rather civilised place with mainly constructive/helpful posting and not many going out of the way to abrasively correct others. One or two posters have tried but they seldom last as no-one else comes here for a fight.
 
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Regarding:

"We all know that the factory fit one can be defeated in seconds via the front drivers headlight…";

well, I don't know that @Lost Boy and would find it quite interesting if there if you can link to an elaboration somewhere.

As to:

"It beats me why there are so many individuals on this forum that just like to go out of their way to try and correct others, with little knowledge of who those people are and/or their backgrounds. Enjoy :happy";

personally - if I may in just this case make my own corrective observation @Lost Boy - I would say that this forum is thankfully a rather civilised place with mainly constructive/helpful posting and not many going out of the way to abrasively correct others. One or two posters have tried but they seldom last as no-one else comes here for a fight.
Of course you aren't going to find anything on YouTube or TikTok that shows you how to do this, so the elaboration you seek, is only going to be from someone in the car security industry or in my case a VW mastertech. So whilst I'd love to send people the details, clearly that's not realistic or feasible. You'll have to trust that I have it on excellent authority, as I'm sure if I asked the Dealer Principal they would never own up to such a breach (I'd refer you to the Range Rover/Land Rover scandal recently).

As to the 2nd point, its fascinating where people assume no knowledge or expertise and (although not in your case) those that sit on here and chose to Google and us Char GPT to answer questions purporting personal knowledge, and when someone with actual experience comes along they get really upset.
 
Of course you aren't going to find anything on YouTube or TikTok that shows you how to do this, so the elaboration you seek, is only going to be from someone in the car security industry or in my case a VW mastertech. So whilst I'd love to send people the details, clearly that's not realistic or feasible. You'll have to trust that I have it on excellent authority, as I'm sure if I asked the Dealer Principal they would never own up to such a breach (I'd refer you to the Range Rover/Land Rover scandal recently).

As to the 2nd point, its fascinating where people assume no knowledge or expertise and (although not in your case) those that sit on here and chose to Google and us Char GPT to answer questions purporting personal knowledge, and when someone with actual experience comes along they get really upset.
Well @Lost Boy some people make some ill-informed posts here, me included, for time to time: but others are generally kind and tolerant in response.

Generally the wisest prove least contentious in their approach.

We all ( or virtually all) love of Californias and want to share the experience - which in both of our cases has lead us to go for a lifetime membership.
 
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Well @Lost Boy some people make some ill-informed posts here, me included, for time to time: but others are generally kind and tolerant in response.

Generally the wisest prove least contentious in their approach.
Here is a link Viktor.

Having worked in and around the car industry the best part of 27 years prior to my current role, (running an IT company) I think, like the responder says of himself and their insider expertise, I know my way around both the industry, concept and the technicalities.

The only publicised and technically detailed case is on Toyotas and specifically a RAV4. Outside that it is a lot of fluff and circumstance from people “doing their own research” or dark web braggarts.

The breakdown was done by one of the original CAN designers, who likely knows a lot more about this than any of us. This RAV4 specific convo has been around for some time to industry followers.

Enjoy. Given the OP was asking about their own vehicle that is neither very old Cali nor a RAV4, the original response stands IMHO. Keep your key safe, realise anything other that that is for your own (valid) peace of mind.

We don’t “all know” that a Cali (of any age) can have a CAN injection to defeat the immobiliser, mainly because you can’t and it’s twaddle. There are zero examples of this anywhere. I could say I learnt that from a mythical VW Mastertech, but then I would be hiding behind being “allowed” to give any details, because I haven't spoken to this person.

The JLR scandal mentioned is actually relay theft from keys, on older Land and Range Rovers, fixed some time ago (approx 24 months) by JRL with a more sophisticated algorithm and with a key hardware update to one that goes to sleep. JLR were very upfront about the flaw, not unique to them, and the fix.

 
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Here is a link Viktor.

Having worked in and around the car industry the best part of 27 years prior to my current role, (running an IT company) I think, like the responder says of himself and their insider expertise, I know my way around both the industry, concept and the technicalities.

The only publicised and technically detailed case in on Toyotas and specifically a RAV4. Outside that it is a lot of fluff and circumstance from people “doing their own research” or dark web braggarts.

The breakdown was done by one of the original CAN designers, who likely knows a lot more about this than any of us. This RAV4 specific convo has been around for some time to industry followers.

Enjoy. Given the OP was asking about their own vehicle that is neither very old Cali nor a RAV4, the original response stands IMHO. Keep your key safe, realise anything other that that is for your own (valid) peace of mind.

We don’t “all know” that a Cali (of any age) can have a CAN injection to defeat the immobiliser, mainly because you can’t and it’s twaddle. There are zero examples of this anywhere. I could say I learnt that from a mythical VW Mastertech, but then I would be hiding behind being “allowed” to give any details, because I haven't spoken to this person.

The JLR scandal mentioned is actually relay theft from keys, on older Land and Range Rovers, fixed some time ago (approx 24 months) by JRL with a more sophisticated algorithm and with a key hardware update to one that goes to sleep. JLR were very upfront about the flaw, not unique to them, and the fix.

Thank you @dspuk for taking the time to write all that. I will study it and the inserted link with interest.
 
Another vote for the Ghost, don't every worry where I leave it now. We all know that the factory fit one can be defeated in seconds via the front drivers headlight and whilst the Ghost wont stop them getting in if they really want to, it isn't going anywhere. I can never see the point in a tracker as by the time it becomes useful its already gone?

I'm also an Apple Airtag type of guy, I have a few hidden behind trim etc, but you need to remember to remove the speaker in them first.
A really hot topic on the T4 and T6 Forums - NOT.
 
Have looked at steering wheel locks, pedal locks and Bear locks (which I believe is a manual installation that prevents the van being taken out of reverse gear?) Does this work for automatics? Also considering a tracker device/apple tag. Would be great to know other owners thoughts? Thanks
Bearlock installed in my t7 Hubrid cali (automatic) and works perfectly!
 
Here is a link Viktor.

Having worked in and around the car industry the best part of 27 years prior to my current role, (running an IT company) I think, like the responder says of himself and their insider expertise, I know my way around both the industry, concept and the technicalities.

The only publicised and technically detailed case is on Toyotas and specifically a RAV4. Outside that it is a lot of fluff and circumstance from people “doing their own research” or dark web braggarts.

The breakdown was done by one of the original CAN designers, who likely knows a lot more about this than any of us. This RAV4 specific convo has been around for some time to industry followers.

Enjoy. Given the OP was asking about their own vehicle that is neither very old Cali nor a RAV4, the original response stands IMHO. Keep your key safe, realise anything other that that is for your own (valid) peace of mind.

We don’t “all know” that a Cali (of any age) can have a CAN injection to defeat the immobiliser, mainly because you can’t and it’s twaddle. There are zero examples of this anywhere. I could say I learnt that from a mythical VW Mastertech, but then I would be hiding behind being “allowed” to give any details, because I haven't spoken to this person.

The JLR scandal mentioned is actually relay theft from keys, on older Land and Range Rovers, fixed some time ago (approx 24 months) by JRL with a more sophisticated algorithm and with a key hardware update to one that goes to sleep. JLR were very upfront about the flaw, not unique to them, and the fix.

Trust me, he isn't mythical but my brother in law!
 
Trust me, he isn't mythical but my brother in law!
Same thing, no? ;)

Of course I meant my master tech was mythical, yours may be real, but no less ill informed unfortunately.

Given what we have seen of a "master tech" on here, they essentially just mechanics who have been on certain courses, they not the SAS of the mechanic world (I say that as an ex Army Mechanic).

Delving deeper into the CAN injection method, and reading the comment thread from an actual CAN designer, some things of note.

1 - Still a RAV4 only. Also not proven to be the method the vehicles were actual stolen by. I have no doubt after watching the article video it was though.
2 - They managed to create a test rig to prove they could bypass certain securities, but not test on an actual RAV4 or a Toyota
3 - There are still no other articles, evidence or otherwise outside of Toyota and RAV4's around this disguised speaker and a few sensationalised news pieces. So unless we think the deep state has buried them, it is safe to say, there are none.
4 - The method itself just says it, techncially, may allow a bypass of the keyless entry. It does not work on a vehicle that does not have a start button. It just allowed the start button to be pressed and work. We don't have start buttons, so it would never work on our vans.

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My ill informed POV? Your BIL is just repeating the case of the RAV4 and passing it off as some sort of insider knowledge. Unless he has a 6.1 or earlier with a start button. You can also send him this to improve his master knowledge:

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See my footer though. I'm happy to be 100% right or 100% wrong. I just prefer to work from a facts basis. Feel free to share any.

TLDR? Keep your key safe.
 
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