Considering upgrading from T5.1

[2cvhound]

I am wondering whether to upgrade from my T5.1: I love the vehicle, which does most of what I need - replacing an estate car, ferrying double bass and band gear and camping for 2 plus large dog. It's a 180BNPtwin turbo manual which has done 145K. Mostly VW servicing, EGR changed and about to have a third cambelt fitted. The main reason for thinking about upgrading to a T6 is to change to a 150BHP auto. I have driven manuals all my life but this one stalls very easily with no warning and restarting means turning the key all the way off then back on, while negotiating a large heavy vehicle with no powered steering or servo brakes. I'm not in the habit of stalling but it's very easy when pulling away from a speedhump in 2nd gear. My previous car was a skoda octavia 2.0 diesel which gave a lot of warning of stall and on the rare occasion of a stall would restart as you put the clutch down because of the stop/start system. I would imagine that the 150BHP is better on fuel consumption as in a T6 it would be Euro5 and therefore be a lot more modern?

Any advice from anyone who has made this upgrade?

Rob

 

[sidepod]

Are you certain there’s not something wrong with the fueling or another issue?
Stalling shouldn’t be that common?
Any codes present when scanned?

Seems like a lot of expense just to avoid an occasional stall?

Fuel consumption will be a couple of mpg better (my 6.1 averages 34, my T4 2.5 does 33), again , worth the expense of a swap?

The main thing for you will be the DSG which will be night and day.

 

[Alexlex85]

I use my manual T5.1 180 every day commuting to work, school runs, nursery runs, Costco trips, skip runs, you name it. Not once have I found it prone to stalling.
Definitely easier to drive than most recent manual cars i owned eg e30 318is 5 , mini cooper r50, f87 m2, 330d e91

Heel and toe back into first to prevent any jolting, or slip the clutch slightly in second when needed.

CFCA engines are actually pretty decent once the EGR cooler has been replaced or deleted.

DSG gearboxes aren’t exactly problem-free either. They require regular servicing and are ultimately another complex component that can go wrong when you least expect it.

Have you had a clutch replacement yet?

 

[sidepod]

Have you had a clutch replacement yet?

That did cross my mind, is the DMF knackered?

 

[pchmlk]

T5.1 140bhp here. V rarely stall and when I do, the engine normally restarts itself with the clutch depressed. Something sounds amiss with yours. Also, 3rd cambelt??

 

[B16 JOG]

T5.1 140bhp here. V rarely stall and when I do, the engine normally restarts itself with the clutch depressed. Something sounds amiss with yours. Also, 3rd cambelt??

The T5.1 140bhp is bombproof!

 

[sidepod]

3rd cambelt??

Min 180k miles?

 

[pchmlk]

Min 180k miles?

Eh? It’s 140k isn’t it?

 

[2cvhound]

Thank you all for your comments!!

The cambelt advice given when I bought it from a VW dealer who had sold it and serviced it throughout was every 5 years - so on that basis I am behind a bit, but on the 140K basis I'm well ahead as I believe it was last done around 90K. Stalls happen because I have a regular series of speed humps on a steep hill, and it will sometimes stall in 2nd when just moving but to change down to 1st would be silly. Also occasionally try and pull away from roundabout in 3rd rather than 1st which is my mistake, but there is no judder warning, just a huge clunk as it stalls and you lose all power.

pchmlk - I'm guessing you must have Stop/Start option??

I'm not a clumsy driver - last car a Skoda Octavia 1.6D greenline(not 2.0 as posted earlier) did 165K on a single clutch, original battery, overall average of 65mpg across that whole distance (75mpg on long runs). I am also used to driving all sorts of vehicles from 12tonne trucks, transits, Renault V6 Avantime, our electric runabout BMW i3 and my favourite which is a 1981 Citroen 2CV (all 29hp!). I'm pretty good at hypermiling - managed 80k on one set of tyres in the skoda!

Maybe I should investigate the DMF? I'm certainly wishing I had done more research and held out for a 140bhp engine, but this one came along at a good price. I read somewhere that the difference between the two was engine mapping plus an additional turbo on the 180 - the other turbo being the same. If this is true could the 2nd turbo be removed and the engine remapped?

 

[temporarysecretary]

Euro 6 comes with loads more complications and costs.

Any MPG saving (if any) is wiped out by your first component swap.

DSG is genuinely nice and you cant retrofit.

If I knew the T5.1 was solid id personally stick.

The grass always looks greener on the other side but actually its greener where you water it... I'd find a good mechanic and get them to drive your van.

 

[Alexlex85]

I think the 140 vs 180 comparison doesnt bare any relevance to your stalling issue. on the contrary I cant see how the 140 slightly less torque would help.
Also relying on 2nd gear to carry over speedhumps at idle speeds is not something i would do. Id much rather be in 1st at higher rpm.

If your clutch isnt slipping, no significant chatter at idle/engine turn off or vibration, id assume clutch/fly combo to be in order.

Pretty straightforward. Check t6 Cali prices , budget an extra £5k for the ah shlt did not expect this invoice, should have kept the t5.1 like my wife said and I never listen.

If meets your budget then go for it.




*For clarification
Not claiming T6 are unreliable. Some cars are run shoe string budget. Dont assume every seller to be honest. Especially traders.

 

[sidepod]

Pulling away in 3rd??? Second can understand but 3rd?

 

[pchmlk]

Pulling away in 3rd??? Second can understand but 3rd?

I think he just means he’s put it in 3rd by accident.

 

[Up10]

Pulling away in 3rd??? Second can understand but 3rd?

Used to be able to pull away in 4th gear in the old Rovers! It was a selling point.