180 T5.1 2010 Oil results are in.......

[Dave bee]

Most manufacturers have vehicles with engine issues in some for or other in their line up. From oil consumption, bore scoring, cylinder liners breaking down, wet belt issues and many more. Most seem to be related to euro emissions, whether trying to reduce emissions or noise related tests. There seems to be some people who have had good will payments from vw over the years, normally nothing more than half the costs of the engine replacement and all within the warranty period. Vw themselves are, like most European manufacturers close to going out of business due to the Chinese manufacturers and the ever changing market due to government climate change restrictions. They would have already been bankrupt as would their competitors if they paid out on warranty or poorly designed vehicles they made 16 years ago. Sorry to say but I would sort the issue with the engine as cheaply as possible yourself or get it sold.

 

[CaliGem]

Define " Many ".
The damage is caused by Aluminium particles - Not disputed.
The Aluminium particles are presumed to come from the EGR cooler which is not mechanical in nature just a heat exchanger bathed in oil.
The " Many" are in fact a minority compared to the number manufactured and no one has yet to prove why this happens, but the majority are in fact low milage compared to age so maybe related to driving style and use, over which VW will have no control.

I don't have to justify comments to you WG. You're being pedantic and it's tiresome so please stop reaching out to me. You know exactly what I mean by 'many'.

 

[CaliGem]

Mine is a March 2010 180BHP twin turbo, one of the first as the engine was introduced at that time. In 2015 mine started using oil at a rate of a litre every few hundred miles, quite suddenly on a trip from U.K. to Germany. Mileage about 45K.

I complained to VW customer services and they offered a new engine fitted by a VW dealer, with me paying 30% and VW 70%. I proceeded on that basis.

I was told at that time that I was one of the last that they agreed to help out.

Thank you for sharing your experience. This is what I am going to pursue as I've ticked all the care boxes as set out by VW, and then some.

Ultimately, if I don't ask I will never know if they will honour a similar repair/ replacement. I'll be damned if I don't try though. Thanks again for letting me know. I'm glad you had a reasonable response.

 

[CaliGem]

Most manufacturers have vehicles with engine issues in some for or other in their line up. From oil consumption, bore scoring, cylinder liners breaking down, wet belt issues and many more. Most seem to be related to euro emissions, whether trying to reduce emissions or noise related tests. There seems to be some people who have had good will payments from vw over the years, normally nothing more than half the costs of the engine replacement and all within the warranty period. Vw themselves are, like most European manufacturers close to going out of business due to the Chinese manufacturers and the ever changing market due to government climate change restrictions. They would have already been bankrupt as would their competitors if they paid out on warranty or poorly designed vehicles they made 16 years ago. Sorry to say but I would sort the issue with the engine as cheaply as possible yourself or get it sold.

Thank you for this. I'll still try asking as I plan on keeping the van for as long as possible. I really don't like the new ones. The T5/6's are peak.

It's sad the Chinese markets are hammering the other markets but VW still need to hold their hands up if they've created a flawed vehicle. To them it's still peanuts.... To me (in the climate we are also living in) it means a lot. It's worth a shot as it is ultimately their error.

This engine should have a LOT more miles in it.

 

[CaliGem]

Caligem, there are a lot of engines out there with known weaknesses. I used to have a 911 and they had a weak spot too (RMS), it
Was something you went into the purchase with it in mind.

You’ll likely get nowhere with vw but I wish you luck. I’d temper your emotions a bit though if I were you, they won’t help.

My emotions are in check but thank you for your invested interest. I don't suffer fools. That doesn't make me emotional, just direct.

Women get accused of being 'emotional' but men don't. Funny that.

Anyhow, I love a 911. I've previously had a Cayman R and a Cayman GT4. They didn't have a kitchen and two beds though so much prefer my van these days

Worth a shot at VW. It's their bad design so they should be held accountable.

 

[Dave bee]

For me t5/6 are peak too and I understand your frustration with the problem. All vehicles have issues these days but you stick with what you want, enjoy, anything new these days will have many more issues long before they get to your campers age!! I’d love a 911 too but it would be old and cost a fortune to keep on the road. Really the California does so much more than a car 911 could and as I’m getting old it does appeal less as the years go by. I’ve got a motorcycle for country road anyway

 

[WelshGas]

Don’t blame VW blame EU regulators.
Emissions laws have forced manufacturers to produce engines unfit for purpose but fit for low emissions.
Just be thankful you don’t own a later model.

If you want bomb proof buy a T4.

I wouldn’t waste your time arguing with WG. He will go all day long arguing black is white, he’ll always have the last word regardless. Pointless.

Just Facts and definitions.

 

[WelshGas]

I don't have to justify comments to you WG. You're being pedantic and it's tiresome so please stop reaching out to me. You know exactly what I mean by 'many'.

8.4% according to your figures is not Many.

Definition
Many means a large, considerable, or indefinite number of people or things.

 

[Perfectos]

8.4% according to your figures is not Many.

Definition
Many means a large, considerable, or indefinite number of people or things.

If 8.4% of your patients did not make it past your care you'd have been struck off !

 

[WelshGas]

If 8.4% of your patients did not make it past your care you'd have been struck off !

• • United States: Average ICU death rates range from 8% to 19% (overall average around 13.7%).
  • United Kingdom: The average ICU mortality rate is 16% (with an overall hospital mortality of 22% for patients who spent time in the ICU).
  • Europe: General ICU mortality averages around 18.7%

 

[Perfectos]

• • United States: Average ICU death rates range from 8% to 19% (overall average around 13.7%).
  • United Kingdom: The average ICU mortality rate is 16% (with an overall hospital mortality of 22% for patients who spent time in the ICU).
  • Europe: General ICU mortality averages around 18.7%

That make all better then

 

[WelshGas]

That make all better then

No, it just puts into perspective.
An 8.4% failure rate of the 180 engine means that 91.6% Don’t Fail and the continued comments of a supposedly high / majority failure rate does the owners of 180 vehicles a disservice.
I know the owners of a failed engine are angry and upset but spare a thought for the owners of vehicles that haven’t/won’t fail constantly being told they have a crap engine that will fail.

If you look up the problems with the 150 and 204 engines or vehicles with Adblue systems failing you might be put off buying any of those vehicles but the chances of failure are in the same % range of failure.

 

[BerndRos]

To be faced with having to have a new engine as I was in a vehicle 5 years old is frankly unacceptable, bearing in mind it had a full VW service history, and I had treated it with mechanical sympathy. Mileage was approx 45K.

Then a few years ago to have the DSG fail and face a bill of £5700 to have it replaced/repaired was also unacceptable.

There can be no defence or understanding for this.

Of all the vehicles I have owned, none have come close to the Cali unreliability.

For those of us that have had these problems, there is no comfort in the fact that most have not encountered issues.

 

[SusiBus]

I've been in Northwick Park Hospital since the 10th October and hopefully not going to damage their mortality rate figures. I was knocked off my push bike when going home after the Watford v Burnley football match. Suffered multiple skull fractures, then a cardiac arrest on the operating table. Suffered cracked ribs while being resuscitated. I'm still alive thanks to our wonderful NHS.
My first Cali a T5.1 180 bi-turbo died of the known fault. Perhaps the NHS could service VW engines

 

[Black Forest]

I feel your pain OP but what is happening now re oil consumption? Have you caught it early enough to make a real difference going forward?

Is the engine eating itself to a degree it needs replacing or will an EGR swap save the day?

 

[vmaxkiddy]

Absolutely. A 'known' reason is enough for me to fight for them to do the right thing

Sadly mine has had annual oil changes too. I've done everything to keep this engine happy!

Which suffix EGR is fitted to your Cali ?

 

[larrylamb]

I've been in Northwick Park Hospital since the 10th October and hopefully not going to damage their mortality rate figures. I was knocked off my push bike when going home after the Watford v Burnley football match. Suffered multiple skull fractures, then a cardiac arrest on the operating table. Suffered cracked ribs while being resuscitated. I'm still alive thanks to our wonderful NHS.
My first Cali a T5.1 180 bi-turbo died of the known fault. Perhaps the NHS could service VW engines

Wishing you a full and speedy recovery @SusiBus

 

[pchmlk]

8.4% according to your figures is not Many.

Definition
Many means a large, considerable, or indefinite number of people or things.

I researched the 180 before buying my Cali and decided the risk was too high.

People don’t tend to understand risk very well (am I right in thinking you were/are an anaesthetist? If so, Drs have a good understanding) but to anyone, a greater than 1 in 12 risk of engine failure is high. Way too high. Even as a gamble on a horse, these are poor odds and there’s a potential gain there. The only potential gain on the 180, if it doesn’t go pop, is that it was likely cheaper to buy.

 

[Perfectos]

I've been in Northwick Park Hospital since the 10th October and hopefully not going to damage their mortality rate figures. I was knocked off my push bike when going home after the Watford v Burnley football match. Suffered multiple skull fractures, then a cardiac arrest on the operating table. Suffered cracked ribs while being resuscitated. I'm still alive thanks to our wonderful NHS.
My first Cali a T5.1 180 bi-turbo died of the known fault. Perhaps the NHS could service VW engines

I hope you are better soon, that's a lot to go through.
Was it Watford hospital? You could stay for the next home match

 

[pjm-84]

I feel your pain OP but what is happening now re oil consumption? Have you caught it early enough to make a real difference going forward?

Is the engine eating itself to a degree it needs replacing or will an EGR swap save the day?

70 should be okay, especially if its not using any oil. At a 70 reading I decided to do something about it, which was a 44k....it then dropped to 14